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MarkoH01: Simple math: do you think GOG would continue to sell these games if only very few customers would buy them? In fact I know from GOG itself that some of these games do sell extremely well.
What does that mean? How many is some and what is extremely well? With both of you making making ambiguous, unsupported claims both could be true simultaneously: most of them could be worthless junk and a few, reputable ones could sell 'well'.
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MarkoH01: You actually did not answer my question at all. So how many DID you play? Would also help me to know which ones.
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alaric.us: I didn't answer on purpose. If I tell you then you'll simply respond with something along the lines of "you played the wrong ones" or "you didn't play enough" or similar. I've had plenty of these conversations, and they always go the same way.
But if these conversations always tell you that you did not see enought to judge or that there are in fact great games you shoudl play instead ... doesn't this mean that most games are NOT slob ... otherwise you could not get so many suggestions.

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MarkoH01: That does not mean that every NSFW game is gold ... but same is the case in every single genre.
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alaric.us: Agreed! This is why I said: "free of trash, regardless of whether it's trash that emphasizes sex or trash that emphasizes something else". I actually don't feel any different about other slop that is entirely non-sexual. Personally, I'd prefer to only see good games on the front page.
And here comes the main problem. "Good" and "bad" or if you like "slob" and "quality game" are still - believe it or not - completely subjective. They depend on what people like to see in their games and how much focus they put on a certain artstyle or if they prefer a good story instead. People are different, tatses are different and games are different to reflect this. This is actually a good thing. So asking to remove everything you yourself would consider to be "trash" or "slob" would also mean that you are asking to remove games others would like to buy.
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MarkoH01: Simple math: do you think GOG would continue to sell these games if only very few customers would buy them? In fact I know from GOG itself that some of these games do sell extremely well.
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SultanOfSuave: What does that mean? How many is some and what is extremely well? With both of you making making ambiguous, unsupported claims both could be true simultaneously: most of them could be worthless junk and a few, reputable ones could sell 'well'.
Again: GOG would NEVER sell these games if they would not make enough money for them. That's not vague, it's a statement based on economics and logic. Of course I don't have an exact number here - how could I?

Regarding the seond half of my statement: I've got told that especially the Daz 3D games are selling extremely well. So feel free to count them.Them selling well however does not have to mean that the others all sell badly ... see my first argument. There is no reason for any store to sell things that their customers won't buy.
Post edited 4 days ago by MarkoH01
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alaric.us: You got a bit of a relevance fallacy going there, haven't you? How many do you suppose I need to play from start to finish in order to be able to claim that most of them are slop? 51%?
As a general rule, one shouldn't refer to a whole genre or subgenre as trash, it's fine to dislike a particular title so much you call it trash, but generalizing like that (especially when you obviously have not played much) is silly

If you're not interested, just ignore them, GOG already does that for you by not giving them any news posts which naturally hurts their sales, and if you genuinely want some good recommendations, look in the relevant places or communities
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MarkoH01: But if these conversations always tell you that you did not see enought to judge or that there are in fact great games you shoudl play instead ... doesn't this mean that most games are NOT slob ... otherwise you could not get so many suggestions.
No, it merely tells me that some people with very particular tastes are overly interested in pushing others to keep trying whatever it is that they enjoy. It seems that they do so in order to justify their own taste to themselves.

If you told me that you don't like cheese and think that all cheese tastes awful, you'd likely just say "ok" and stop offering me cheese. It'd be highly unlikely for you to start trying to determine which cheeses I've eaten and in what volume, and then to tell me that I'm wrong and I should have tried more different cheeses.

(I actually like cheese, this was just an example.)

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MarkoH01: And here comes the main problem. "Good" and "bad" or if you like "slob" and "quality game" are still - believe it or not - completely subjective. They depend on what people like to see in their games and how much focus they put on a certain artstyle or if they prefer a good story instead. People are different, tatses are different and games are different to reflect this. This is actually a good thing. So asking to remove everything you yourself would consider to be "trash" or "slob" would also mean that you are asking to remove games others would like to buy.
Well, yes, everything is subjective. And yet, I honestly don't understand why you feel that people who (subjectively as it were) prefer to not see certain games, should not be allowed to filter them out. Because that's what the conversation is really about. I feel that you have a right to buy these games, but you feel that I don't have a right to configure the store to not see them.
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Memecchi: As a general rule, one shouldn't refer to a whole genre or subgenre as trash
How did you manage to extract that meaning from what I said? o_O

Here's my quote from earlier:

> While some violent games and horror games are actually great games, the vast overwhelming majority of porn games are low effort slop the only purpose of which is to extract a few dollars from sexually-frustrated basement dwellers.

> Alert me when there's a sex game of the level of quality and cultural importance of Doom/Diablo/Hitman/Witcher/etc. I'll be sure to buy it and play it.

So no, the genre is not trash because a genre cannot be trash by definition. It's just that (so far) most individual instances of the games in the genre are trash.

If it helps, most porn games are kind of like most mobile games. A game isn't bad just because it's on mobile. But I think we can all agree that mobile stores are filled with a shockingly high percentage of worthless shovelware.
Post edited 4 days ago by alaric.us
Again? LOL. The last thread about this was in June.

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alaric.us: And yet, I honestly don't understand why you feel that people who (subjectively as it were) prefer to not see certain games, should not be allowed to filter them out.
That's not what he wrote and meant. He criticizes your generalizations about adult games because you obviously haven't played any of them. If you have read the older threads about this topic, then you would have noticed that everyone here agrees that GOG needs to give filter options independent of the genre. There is no need to discuss the necessity of filter options. It is the best solution for everyone. GOG announced that these filter options will come.
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xman1: So you got 2 choices... I stop impulse buying at lunch
This sounds like pretty healthy plan regardless of the whole porn thing.
Post edited 4 days ago by Breja
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alaric.us: While some violent games and horror games are actually great games, the vast overwhelming majority of porn games are low effort slop the only purpose of which is to extract a few dollars from sexually-frustrated basement dwellers.

Alert me when there's a sex game of the level of quality and cultural importance of Doom/Diablo/Hitman/Witcher/etc. I'll be sure to buy it and play it.

Until then, maybe we should be keeping storefronts free of trash, regardless of whether it's trash that emphasizes sex or trash that emphasizes something else.
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MarkoH01: How many of these games did you actually try for yourself so that you can judge these games so easily?
How much slop does a person have to wade through before it becomes recognizable without playing it?
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MarkoH01: How many of these games did you actually try for yourself so that you can judge these games so easily?
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richlind33: How much slop does a person have to wade through before it becomes recognizable without playing it?
From my point of view I read Markos post as a joke about that persons one bulging arm. It fits too well!

As to the OP - people should ignore the OP given some prior posts of theirs.
Post edited 3 days ago by Sachys
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alaric.us: While some violent games and horror games are actually great games, the vast overwhelming majority of porn games are low effort slop the only purpose of which is to extract a few dollars from sexually-frustrated basement dwellers.

Alert me when there's a sex game of the level of quality and cultural importance of Doom/Diablo/Hitman/Witcher/etc. I'll be sure to buy it and play it.

Until then, maybe we should be keeping storefronts free of trash, regardless of whether it's trash that emphasizes sex or trash that emphasizes something else.
This is the end result of mass marketing: pander to the lowest common denominator so you can sell the most product. so what if our culture becomes infested with slop, the bottom line is what matters most.
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xman1: Do you all understand this is NSFW? Can you please remove this shit from the store page?
Do you understand that when you're at work, you're supposed to be working?

Save browsing non work-related content for when you're off the clock and in somewhere private.
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MarkoH01: How many of these games did you actually try for yourself so that you can judge these games so easily?
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richlind33: How much slop does a person have to wade through before it becomes recognizable without playing it?
How many troll posts of yours does a person have to wade through before it becomes recognizable without reading them?
Wow...A lot of people seem to have MASSIVE problems with sexuality. That one thing that's as natural as life itself, because it CREATES life :D
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xman1: Do you all understand this is NSFW? Can you please remove this shit from the store page?
I disagree.

I don't personally like sex games, violent content, gore, or AI-slop, but that doesn't mean they should be removed. That would just be censorship based on someone's personal preferences. The GoG store has tags that let people filter out things they don't want to see.

The tag system could be improved, like allowing some tags to be set as default in your account. That way, you wouldn't have to apply the same tags every time you browse games. Also, some tags need fixing because they're wrong for certain games and some tags are missing.
Post edited 2 days ago by Lumimaa
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Lumimaa: I don't personally like sex games, violent content, core, or AI-slop,
Did you mean GORE?
Post edited 2 days ago by Sachys
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Atreyu666: Wow...A lot of people seem to have MASSIVE problems with sexuality. That one thing that's as natural as life itself, because it CREATES life :D
It's sad to see people equate sexuality in general with commercialized depictions and innuendo.

A lot of people do have issues re sexuality, but the same can be said when it comes to critical thinking.


Re OP, if you're browsing at work you probably ought to be fired for putting your company's network at risk.